What the fuck has happened ...?

[Frisk]

...to the British Charts ? I saw an interview yesterday with the 'Cheeky Girls' on how they plan to storm the British Charts, with 7 words of english between them, and a press conference where they mimed the cheeky song TWICE ! What the Fuck ? I remember people in interviews years ago like madonna etc saying that once you have made it in the british charts you know you were alright. That's because we didn't buy Euro-shite. what's wrong with kids of today ?

:csaw:

[Djxample]

I hate the charts and pop music in general:bah: :blart: :burn:

[Sol]

Ahh the Cheeky Girls . . . . . Genius :rolleyes:

"We are the cheeky Girls . . . . . . etc"

[Frisk]

no, i don't like it either, but there was a day when our charts were respected worldwide. Everyone in neighbours knew if they made it here it's pretty much their key to the world. is it that kids don't like good music anymore ? or do kids just want a dance to accompany the song ? maybe if Bad Company released Torpedo with a hand/knees/toes dance in the video kids would like it ?

[woody]

the general public are fuckin dickheads, thats the reason :laff:

[cheekz]

The trouble is the fucking big corporation record companies putting money into cartoon-like cheesy processed pop, reason being there has been a massive drop in the sale of singles over the last decade.

Most of the people actually buying records are aged 7-15yrs and buy what ever their told to by big budget marketing campaigns.

Personally i'm hoping that they've gone too far with it all and things are gonna change.

Programmes like pop stars:mad: have actually helped in a way...
They've made people see just how manurfactured the pop industry is, and its made the public focus on talent, which a lot of established chart acts dont have.

I'm hoping this will draw peoples attention to talented underground and unsigned acts, and convince record companies to invest in these acts and help them to develop.

It can happen, look at Ms Dynamite for example...


Sarah;)

[woody]

ms dynamite????????????????

i've got mre talent in my little finger than she has in her whole body.

if you think she is a talented, original act then you are mistaken, she rose to fame on the back of the entirely talentless so solid as did half the people now in the charts.

does she write all her own songs? does she arrange her own tracks? can she run a studio?

no

do you think MC romeo is talented aswell?

[cheekz]

Of course I dont think Mc Romeo is talented!!!!!

Ms D got sucess from blowing up the garage scene as an mc, getting a good following, featuring on 'boo' and people recognising she had talent.

Shes got a fresh sound that is urban and british and you've got to commend someone who doesn't try and go all American. Her album is not just written by herself but all of her lyrics are and they carry the album and define a style, a unique style.

If she had got sucess because of so solid then surely they'd be on the same label... but their not. Obviously she may get support but thats what you'd hope people would do for other urban artists. So solid had nothing to do with her sucess it was actually a bloke called James who does A&R for polydor that opened doorways for her.

I admit there isn't many examples of underground acts in the charts, she's the best I could think of thats actually established now. But, as I said before hopefully that will all change...


;)

[daze]

miss d is cool.


at least she can sing!!









how the fuck did that ugly mingin' ginga scouse bint get thru pop extra rivals academy or what ever its called????

[Djxample]

Ms dynamite is very talented I think!!!

this what i think of romeo:D

[Sol]

Busy then today Gav ?

[Djxample]

I should be:D

[asok]

i think miss d is cool - something a little different.

I agree that popstars and that are shite, but look at some of the talent that you do find on it. The girl who lost in the rivals one the other day is by far and away one of the best voices around, and one of the lads is also pretty fucking good. Shite the programme maybe, wank the songs they release surely are, but, some of these people are really talented and the good will stick around and the shite (hearsay) will fall away.

I, personally, think that long haired twat darius is a cunt - but he can sing, and for total determination he deserves to be were he is at the moment in the charts n that. I also think robbie williams as an entertainer is good at what he does (although, again, hes a twat).

Im not saying i personally like any of these people, just acknoweldgeing them for what they do.

And Ian Van Dahl should be disembowled.

[Tippa D]

Yeh sarah, Miss D is the Bees left knee, but romeo can die face down in a pool of his own 'over produced for a young market' liquid faeces!

Pity there were only four of us paying attention last night Example, that place could rock - swanky seating AND a pool table. The font is wicked . The crowd is not!

Hi Sol , aint seen u for a while, maybe will soon - Karim wants to come to yours and watch you produce - he needs some input!!! Watch your back though eh!

[Frisk]

granted miss D is a talented artist, but again we see the 'popstars' technique of artist modelling. from fresh mc she has turned into a voice of the people ? in her case, they have seen she has talent, signed her, and now everything she releases has a message put across to the listeners, which in my opinion is bad. i think they need to let her develop as an artist. don't make her release a track with a message because she is what the kids are into at the moment, let her reach her peak in her own time rather than burning out in the process.

[supressor]

on a side note..that cheeky girls track is feckin ridiculous..but still better than a lot of the other popstars crap in the charts..at least they dont take themselves seriously..and thay are fomr transylvania..thats got to count for something..?!? or maybe i just like the way they wiggle their arses...hmmmm..and as for so-solidand friends..they were on my top ten most hated bands..but now blazin squad have taken over that title..
Ms dynamite has cetainly got a good voice..but shes not really pushing any envelopes at the moment..time will tell..






cheeky,cheeky.... etc,etc ;)

[Frisk]

..at least they dont take themselves seriously..


they were interviewed on some sunday morning show last weekend... ...the worst part about it is they do ! I've never seen anything like it. (well, not since that Sash and Rodriguez interview anyway)

[supressor]

oh well..thats my argument screwed then innit!..

[stalag]

there's a tune Ms Dynamite has done with Bounty Killer being played a lot on 1Xtra at the moment and its quality...i reckon she's got a great voice, and i'll be buying that one if i see it somewhere. theres enough shit in the charts not to slate the better stuff.

[Amos_Keato]

Originally posted by Frisky
maybe if Bad Company released Torpedo with a hand/knees/toes dance in the video kids would like it ?

Like they're gonna do with More Fire you mean ?
Ahem...I told you this was a novelty record...you didn't listen !

Miss Dynami (tee hee) yes.....respect is due

MC Tali on the other hand.....I wish she had a padlock on her lip.

Sounds like a faggot to me - no disrespect to faggots of course.
Incase you're not irritated by her yet.....let me just ruin that for yez........check out the way she says the letter "S"
A woman...trying to sound like a man....trying to sound like a woman.

Hah...Suppressor.....Blazin' Squad......OOf !
Gets you right in the gut don't it !

[woody]

Originally posted by cheekz
Ms D got sucess from blowing up the garage scene as an mc, getting a good following, featuring on 'boo' and people recognising she had talent.

If she had got sucess because of so solid then surely they'd be on the same label... but their not.

I admit there isn't many examples of underground acts in the charts, she's the best I could think of thats actually established now. But, as I said before hopefully that will all change...


;)

where do i start?

firstly "featuring on boo", what the fuck is "boo"? you lost me there

"blowing up the garage scene" you sound like a garage fan to me...that is not a good start.

"If she had got sucess because of so solid then surely they'd be on the same label... " wrong, artists rarely stick to one label, chart artists are even more likely to switch labels for the biggest cash advance they can get.

if artists never changed labels then exile would still be on shadow and mr intalex would still be on 31.

"underground acts in the charts"

this is a contradiction in terms.

how can an underground act be in the charts??? thats what an underground act is, one that is NOT "pop" (ie popular) and NOT bought by the general public.


dont mean to sound harsh but you clearly dont know what you are on about so i have to be.

[Djxample]

dick heads

[Aeon]

Sticky feat. Ms Dynamite- "Booo!"

As far as garage-wank goes, its alright. Got a heavy bassline, but thats about it.


Personally, I don't think the Cheeky Girls are anything to get upset about. Fair enough, they're utter shite, but what exactly are they doing wrong? Its music for people who don't know any better. As long as theres someone buying it, fair play to them. I don't like it, but also I don't have to listen to it.

Although it is quite funny... All together now...

"Touch my bum, This is life."

Oh dear. :jester:

[supressor]

my thoughts exactly..now if we combined all out powers to combat the real evils in the charts..yep..im talkin bout blazin squad again.. :csaw:

[Lex]

I think Ms Dynamite is awful... Her tunes are dry and her lyrics are old and far too storylike for my liking... Tere are loads of other people who do the same thing as her only much better...

I will agree that the charts are shit - I tend not to pay any attention - I couldn't tell you what is no 1 at the moment... But I think that the charts have been a load of rubbish for ages and that it isn't just a new thing!

xxx

[yomama]

respect due to ms dynamite. not a big fan of hers like but i think her lyrics are original, on a par with the streets or eminem for example, they're raw and real.

the thing which makes her a bit less original are her producers who (assuming she has not a lot of input) churn out same old garage turd. p.s. not a garage fan. stuff like the streets is original AND good cause the guy produces it himself - it just so happens people like it a lot. not quite sure wot me point is but i'll get there.

you've got pure pop - pap
you've got middle of the road producers + good artists (eg. dynamite etc.) - pop but listenable.
you've got good producers + good artists (or combine the two) - tend not to be like as much but seems to be better.

the fact is that you soon realise most pop is turd and kids settle into listening to better music - hopefully if they've got any sense hip hop & d'n'b. i pray to god they do anyway or they'll still be hanging around outside mcdonalds on a saturday afternoon til they're about 55. unlucky.

just as a side issue, my most hated artist is DANIEL FUCKING KLINGON LOOKALIKE BEDINGFIELD. going back to my point before - he is a wank artist and has a wank producer - himself.

P.S. darius is the geezer - his songs are absoluetly pathetic but he just can't stop making me laugh.

my demons have been exercised. :burn: :burn: :burn: :deval: :burn: :burn: :burn:

:finger: to pop (and 'rage)

[ad_rewind]

Totally agree -- Daniel Bedingfield needs to be hacked up into little pieces ... :csaw:

One thing with pap music and the charts in general -- all these fuckin clone (gay)boy bands ... They sell records because hoards of stupid pre-pubescent girls go out n blindly buy the latest release:- not cos it's "good", but cos they fancy one/all of em.

Take 5 fags, market em so they appeal to girls under the age of 14 ... and watch the money roll in ...

Sad ... But true ...

[dj deval]

i dunno, i think the charts has its good and bad points...

however, i went to see "the streets" at manchester academy, and it was one of the best concerts ive ever seen. basically, what he did on stage was just what all us do at nights- get pissed, put a lot of effort into performance, have a good time, talk about bongs instead of bling etc etc!

i must admit, i do like jusitn timberlake "like i love you"; dead catchy and well produced (eh si smith?)! but las ketchup, i could fuckin kill 'em!

[Bane]

Dont even get me started on pop music and Darius...
Amos-Whats your problem with MC Tali?? is your argument that she cant say "S" properly? um OK! :thumbs:

[Amos_Keato]

Originally posted by Bane
Dont even get me started on pop music and Darius...
Amos-Whats your problem with MC Tali?? is your argument that she cant say "S" properly? um OK! :thumbs:

Erm.....heheh - OK I don't want an argument.....my personal opinion is that I find the way she says the letter 'S' irritating because she sounds like a gay bloke.

I'm no homophobe - but gay blokes do irritate me when they try to speak like women.

I also find the way Gareth Gates says the letter 'S' very irritating.

Not annoying, irritating. It might be something to do with the way my ear/brain interprets certain frequencies.

Didn't say she was shite / can't rhyme / hasn't got talent....or whatever - but I honestly can't bear to listen.

Loving the patronising tones of your post Bane !

Cheers - and sorry for breathing :D

[Simon dB]

Is it just me, or should that little spiky haired stuttering fuck Gareth Gates be sponsored by Penguin chocolate bars?




:slayer: :bumfat: :sign: :bumfat: :slayer:

[ad_rewind]

G-G-G-Gareth G-G-G-Gates i-i-i-is a-a-a-a di-di-di-di -- fuckwit

:laff:

[Amos_Keato]

You all know what I mean about gay S's now right ??

[S Man]

I have no problem with Miss Dynamite.

"I'm still Jenny from the block!" - J - Lo, despite this being a big pop tune, it has one of the heaviest sub bass line i've heard in ages.

Very fat indeed.

Yes Deval, the Justin Timberlake tune is fat, and i don't give a fuck what anyone else thinks!

A lot of production techniques can be learnt from listening to some commercial music, it isn't all bad.


:p

[Bumfat]

to yomama....you took your demons for a walk round the park?

[cheekz]

Originally posted by woody
where do i start?

firstly "featuring on boo", what the fuck is "boo"? you lost me there

"blowing up the garage scene" you sound like a garage fan to me...that is not a good start.



how can an underground act be in the charts???
dont mean to sound harsh but you clearly dont know what you are on about so i have to be.

Sorry Mr Woody!!!

Boo is a track Ms D featured on in 1999 with sticky which was a big hit on the underground.

No I'm not a garage fan but I try to keep an eye on other scenes and genres to see what gwarn and whats hot and whats not. Think thats important if your gonna work in the music biz.

o.k. my terminology may not be correct regarding 'underground acts in the charts'. It should of read... 'British urban acts with a following on the underground, which are no longer unsigned and are enjoying chart sucess'

Sorry bout dat! ;)

Would recommend listening to Ms D's album.
Its good to be ecclectic.
Even if you hate it, its good to work out why other people like it... usefull when thinking about structure, production, and target audiences for your own work.

[woody]

Originally posted by cheekz
Even if you hate it, its good to work out why other people like it... usefull when thinking about structure, production, and target audiences for your own work.

you mean its useful to see what the general public are into so you can change your production style and sell them a load more shit???

i'd rather not sell out the d&b scene cheers

[supressor]

i do think some things can be learned from pop music..
know your enemy :csaw:

[AD SAVAGE]

Originally posted by woody
you mean its useful to see what the general public are into so you can change your production style and sell them a load more shit???

i'd rather not sell out the d&b scene cheers

Sorry to butt in here but the D&B scene ain't never gonna sell out no matter how hard labels and producers try. It seems to me they don't need to. People don't just want Lasgo and Kylie, the public has shown it's open to some new music. OK D&B is never gonna be the staple ingredient of the charts of course not, but we've had the Shake ur blah blah and lk and they weren't selling out - Stamina had been doing that rhyme a year before over that tune). Underground tunes - good management etc - wider exposure. Peshay's Burning Up just missed the top 40, Bodyrock etc. Ram stuff, Roni Size even Dillinja has been getting in the top 70! This ain't watered down namby pamby shit, this is the real deal! Surely more people buying/listening to and appreciating D&B is a good thing??? If it means it gets registered in the charts so be it - doesn't necessarily mean it's on a par with the Cheeky girls!
Having said this Shy's follow up was blatant cash in and a crap one at that! Although what's wrong with some D&B producers making some proper money out of something they've been doing since way back when?

I dunno, am I making any sense or am I trying to get on a really high horse that simply isn't there?

:holmes:

Just imagine though if the Cheeky Girls did a d&B tune :eek: :eek:
Could be properly rinsin'!:D

[Bumfat]

shy's follow up was a bit of a gem atch :D :slayer:

[woody]

Originally posted by AD SAVAGE
Bodyrock etc. Ram stuff, Roni Size even Dillinja has been getting in the top 70! This ain't watered down namby pamby shit, this is the real deal!



they are probably the most commercially viable d&b artists around.

how can you say the d&b is never gonna sell out???

what do you call the latest shy fx stuff if not a sell out?

[Sol]

what do you call the latest shy fx stuff if not a sell out?

Natural Progression ?

[woody]

fair enough, just opinions after all :afro:

[asok]

what do you call the latest shy fx stuff if not a sell out?


A large bag of crusty wankburger?

[RobC]

I wouldn't class Ram as being commercially viable. They released Bodyrock which was so different to anything else, it gained enormous popularity and was therefore being played in other more commercial clubs and on commercial radio. Come on, it's one tune out of god knows how many that Ram have released.

That was 12 months ago, Ram are still doing the thing they've always done best. Look at their recent releases, Believe in U, Beastman? Commercially viable? I don't think so!

I don't want to cause any arguments or owt, but I think many of us are overlooking what the 'pop' charts actually are. Pop, being short for popular can only really be a good thing for d&b, every 6 months a wide audience is given a little taste of the products of our wicked scene. Just because a tune manages to penetrate the pop charts, it shouldnt be treated as a curse.

[Bane]

Amos> Sorry mate, not trying to be patronising, i just think that she is one of the best things to happen to Full Cycle recently and i really rate her..

[asok]

Jeez - this debate raises its ugly head at least once a week on either here or the arena board or a dnb mailing list or a...
And noone ever agrees. Never ever ever. The hardcore nutters are like "lets keep our scene to ourselves and fuck the charts", then there are others who are giving it "the charts are good to our music..." blah blah blah.

What does it matter?
What does any of it matter?

Ok - he he - this is me doing it and adding my opinion (and that’s all it is folks), but, its like politics to me. Some people get all worked up about politics….about who is in charge, what the unemployment rate is and all that crap, and I don’t. I don’t get bothered by anything unless it directly affects me (selfish maybe but the gods honest truth) and a dnb tune going in the charts doesn’t make a shit bit of difference to my life, nor does the fact that andy c gets consistently voted best drum and bass dj, and blah blah. I like drum and bass cos its sounds good.

It does sound good, doesn’t it?

:D

[woody]

Originally posted by ØmniKut
That was 12 months ago, Ram are still doing the thing they've always done best. Look at their recent releases, Believe in U, Beastman? Commercially viable? I don't think so!

.

starsign, milky way? commercially viable?

i reckon

[Aeon]

A high profile female MC can only be a good thing, as, like Bane said, its great now girls are returning to clubs, but Drum N Bass is still heavily male dominated. i can think of maybe 3 female DJs off the top of my head, only one of which I've ever seen. (Just out of interest, where the fuck has DJ Rap gone?)
And after all, "variety is the spice of life."

[woody]

Originally posted by asok
I don’t get bothered by anything unless it directly affects me (selfish maybe but the gods honest truth) and a dnb tune going in the charts doesn’t make a shit bit of difference to my life, nor does the fact that andy c gets consistently voted best drum and bass dj, and blah blah. I like drum and bass cos its sounds good.

It does sound good, doesn’t it?

:D

but it does make a diference to your life.

when some fuck with a burburry hat and cartoon socks starts trying to act like he's a d&B head, or some student girl starts chatting about that new band called shy fx it does affect you.

it affects us all and personally it fuckin winds me right up.

:burn:

[Aeon]

And as for this arguement coming up all the time;

Wouldn't it be boring if we all agreed?

What would we do with our time?

Person 1 "Don't you think a/b is good?"

Person 2 "Yes"

Person 3 "me too."

End of discussion.


:o

[asok]

doesnt bother me man - both the examples you used have enough problems of there own for me to start getting bothered or worried by em. Id just assume the lad with the burberrys hat is a manc, and id hate him cos of his footy team regardless, and id be trying to find out if the reason the student bird was talkin to me is in case she wanted some of big papa asok. Id probably go into how great i think shy fx is, of i thought that may help.

Because...it doesnt really matter. At least, i dont think it does. Feel free to shoot me out of the sky.

[asok]

And as for this arguement coming up all the time;
Wouldn't it be boring if we all agreed?



I agree - it would.



:p

[RobC]

Originally posted by woody
starsign, milky way? commercially viable?

i reckon

Thats not my point, I'm saying that Ram is still doing the proper hardcore stuff that it has always done well IMO.

I sort of agree with Asok on this one. Drum & bass is good. A few tunes get into the charts, some people like them, some people don't.

End

[Bane]

Its all good....except the Ketchup Song!

[Aeon]

Originally posted by ØmniKut


End

It'll never end!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :deval: