whats the diffrence between drumnbass and jungle?

[dnb soldier]

right,sorry if im being really ignorant,but whats the difference between drumnbass and jungle?:conf:
this all started coz the other day,me and a mate in uni were discussing drumnbass,and i was telling him how good the north west scene was at the moment(:nwdnb: ),but he was having none of it.hes one of these badboys from down south,who believe drumnbass is an exclusively southern thing,and that us twats up north no nothing about it,and the scene is crap!he insisted that he was more into the scene,coz hes a 'junglist',and im merely a drumnbass head!?
he couldnt differentiate between the 2,but was adament that he was the badboy raver!
i want to put this bitch down,so whats the difference?
i said jungle was more reggae influenced,with alot more mc/vocal work,but im asking the experts.......

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[dnb soldier]

and to all southerners,i dont hate you!my girlfriends from kent!just pricks like my mate(?),who seem to think that because down south theres bristol with all its nights like driveby,and nights and clubs down south like movement,the end,one nation etc,that the music is dead up here!:no:
i pointed out to him that drumnbass arena was in sheffield,and that accelearated culture,though its in the midlands,is a quality night outside the south,spellbound,surreal,X,gutterfunk,sophonic sessions,the list of quality nights in the north goes on!and theres probably loads more in sheffield,leeds,manchester!
not trying to strat a north vs south war,but this is another example of bad attitudes in the scene!no need!

[poi]

I think its one of those much debated things -

My view of it is.. Jungle is (like you say) generally the older stuff, a lot more ragga influenced, "jamaican" vibe is classically jungle in my views.. A lot of older tracks with very busy beats, often you can almost pick out a tune with the beats themselves.. (examples Rollidge (original), Congo Natty, Beats Booyaa, Ganja Man, all that kinda era stuff)

Drum and bass is in my opinion what everything has evolved into these days, just one of those blanket-generalisation terms.. Whether it be funky, techy, rollin - its all DnB to me. And say if i'm showing an old what i consider "jungle" tune to a less-informed mate, i will encompass jungle under the collective name of dnb to make life easier.

As far as your mate goes, saying he's a "junglist".. I just use junglist for anyone who likes DnB / jungle / etc! Altho some people take junglist as your stereotypical jungle/dnb types that dress a certain way etc.


In my opinion, if your friend thinks there is some kind of difference between a "junglist" and a "dnb head" then he's different views than myself - they mean the same thing to me. But hey this is just the way i take things, and i've had many conversations about this with people in the past, many think differently.. bleh who knows!

[RobC]

Heres my view on it;

'Jungle' was what 'the music' was referred to in its earlier phases. Producers using sampled funk/jazz/hiphop breaks and speeding them up to 160bpm, cutting them up and combinig them with these ruff bass and synth noises used heavily in rave and hardcore to create this uptempo, breakbeat-based music. This was around 92-93 era. This sound gathered momentum and was prevelant from 92 onwards. This is what I would refer to as 'jungle'.

Then people got clever, digital samplers and synths became even more affordable and more people started creating their own beats and breaks which gave a much less of a 'sampled break' sound. Combined with more complex sounds programmed from these synths created a whole different wave of music, while still maintaining many of the rave and hardcore elements of old. The noises became dirtier, the music became heavier, and the rest, they say, is history. :thumbs:

[Amos_Keato]

The correct answer should really be - don't worry about it coz no-one really knows & you'll get a different answer from everyone you ask.

My suspicion though is that the term 'Jungle Music' was used less and less as it seems to have a racist tone to it.

[ad_rewind]

Yep I agree with Poi ... But there is also another reason behind the jungle / dnb thing too ...

In the early to mid 90s when DnB was known as "jungle" it was more underground than it is now (although towards the end of the 90s saw a slow but steady increase in it's popularity).

But because of it's "underground" nature; the music was forced into the more dodgy venues; as more mainstream venues often wouldn't consider hosting a "jungle" night.

Dodgy venues attract dodgy people ... which ofcourse brought higher levels of violence and "drug related" crime into the scene.

The higher levels of violence and crime now associated with the scene (which ofcourse the media blew well out of proportion!) forced the scene itself back more underground once again ...

... Until the later 90s when jungle started to gain popularity once more.
But during it's short spell back underground, the scene had evolved, and emerged as being (generally) less ragga/reggae influenced.

... So it came back with a new sound; and to help distance the scene from the violence etc previously associated with it; DJs etc started to call it "Drum and Bass"

Ta da!
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[asok]

whats the diffrence between drumnbass and jungle?

about 4 years.

[dj deval]

jungle= an early pigeon hole for what we now call "DnB". it was the 'generic term for all the versions of the sound. a combination of timestreched breakbeats playing at approx 160bpm with bass lines lifted from reggae, running at 80 bpm and the metronomic 4/4 bass drum removed'. (james, M. "state of bass" pp. XI. 1997)

[Tool]

Deval, informative, to the point. bibliography included:clap:

I think drum and Bass incorporates so many different stlyes that jungle didnt that you have to make a straight up distinction. The music is so much more user friendly and the environments up north are a hell of a lot more friendly and inviting.

[dj deval]

why thankyou my dear friend, tim!

[BEN D.PLOY]

this is how i would explain it to a dolphin

[woody]

i'd say when it first started, it was all just jungle, now i think it has changed a little so the more ragga and jump-up style stuff is known as jungre and the more techy stuff as d&b.

so someone like hype=jungle
stakka & skynet=drum & bass

just my opinion though, it doesnt really matter though...

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[mrwilson]

I've always thought of the music I listen to as Hardcore Drum and Bass.

I've never liked this term Jungle, or Jangle if you're from Landon.

I think Drum and Bass covers the whole spectrum.

[Motion]

I think Jungle is just an out dated term for Drum&Bass that was used in the old hardcore days.

Drum&Bass was used to make the sound more commercially appealing, as the term Jungle had a certain shady image. When artists such as Roni Size and Adam F etc started releasing big tunes that started to cross into the mainstream like circles, brown paper bag etc the term drum and bass was used more often.

Jungle to me is old stuff up to about 95-96, after that there seems to be a change in the sound, but its all drum & bass.
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[Frisk]

i agree with most stuff said, jungle is oldskool stuff, which dnb developed from. however, i believe jungle is still being made. I recon it's mainly down to breaks..Proper jungle has busier beats, not your standard 2 step which is the pattern used in most dnb these days, but mad complex beat loops (most of the time amens) that only actually loop after about 16/32 bars opposed to the standard 4 in dnb.

[asok]

Jungle also has tarzan runing round in it, which dnb doesnt, and if tarzans anything like he was in that greystoke film the other night then hes a bit of a cunt.

[poi]

frisk hit the nail right on the head for me there also.

and asok is just gay.

[sas]

GOT to agree with adam there. its the same way as what garage has gone. as soon as an underground music types comes out! blows up! and then some fat cat at fuckin virgin rec or somewhere try's to get a piece of the pie, and then get the ingredients, an make there own shit. Then the name has got to change before its destroyed by geri halliwell or some one !I remember going to telepathy and world dance an no word of a lie it was as big as a fucking gareth gates concert ! now come on the police, goverment,etc aint in them days any way gonna let that get any bigger ' it can happen now cause all the shit starters have moved over to garage now. (nice 1) hence in my eyes any D=B

[TaPh]

Who cares........................lets party!!!!


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[cheekz]

When your mate said he was a 'junglist' think he meant that he feels he is a veteran in the scene, i to would call myself a junglist.

d&b is jungles love child bringing new sounds, new breaks, and a new audience into the already established scene.

I must say I do love the jungle riddems, and bring back the ragga samples! PLEASE! Had a wicked atmosphere back then it was pure love for the music and the vibe was cool but had an edge of moodyness to it which just made it all more emotional.

Your mate is wrong to say there isn't a scene up here, but being from the south I would say its a very different scene in Liverpool/Manchester than in London (Different crowd, different styles of music, different atmosphere).

ITS ALL GOOD THOUGH

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(Sung) 'I am a junglist soldier, fighting to keep the jungle alive!' :slayer::toke: