Making babies.........

[Rhian]

Just flicked over to Channel 4 and there was a programme called ' Making babies the gay way' on it. I dont know if anyone else watched it or not.......probably not!! But anyway I thought of asking you lot what you thought of the subject!!

There was one couple on it who had already had a baby(two males they were btw) I remember hearing about their story on the news a while back. Some old gits were offended by the fact a gay couple were having a baby through the means of using donor sperm. However, I think one of the blokes was the biological father of this baby....but im not 100% sure about this. Anyway,it showed the couple in every day life looking after the baby etc as normal, which IMO they seemed really happy and life for them was complete.

The other story was about two females who desperately wanted a baby that they could call their 'own'!! They were trying every month to inseminate(i think thats the right work and spelling)....by using donor sperm which was delivered by courier!!! I missed the end of the programme so I dont know if they were successful in the end.

IMO I dont think there is anything wrong with this......but some people do find it wrong!! If a couple in a 'stable' relationship feel the need to bring up a child.....then why shouldnt they! So what if these people are GAY....it doesnt mean the child would end up being brought up in a cruel way......or end up growing up being a 'wierdo' or anything.

Donating eggs and sperm is also a VERY good idea IMO.....and if it would mean that another childless couple could be very happy then Im all for it.


Opinions please!!!.........


Rhian xx

Sorry for posting something that would seem un-important on this board.......but just wanted to know what other people thought about his subject!!

[PAEBAC]

personally I think a child needs a woman and a man to look up to , to be influenced by and to respect. Callme traditional but I do not think two male parents is going to have a healthy effect on a childs mental upbringing and that largely reflects the way society is and has been for a long time in that it is not normal to have 2 fathers or 2 mothers. This doesnt mean the parents are in any way incapable it is just the environment and the difference of thought the child would have compared to most other children, psychollogically I do not think it is good for a child. They need a balance and nature gives them that balance from the way it is created ...by man and woman , it should then be continued with those parents having the responsibilty for their actions and looking after the child through to adult hodd by giving them a stable and balanced male and femal upbringing.

My 10p's worth .

[Smiler]

Correct Mr (or Mrs?) Paebac. After studying for my teacher training even the most lef wing, liberal psychologists have decided that an infant requires both a male and female role model for both of the genders characteristcs.
They are now really trying to recruit male primary school teachers as there is a percieved lack of male role models for young people due to the amount of young children with no Father figure.

Besides, all this PC crap aside, a young kid (say 5 years old) is at school and another one goes "How come you have two Dads and no Mum?" (or vice versa) What the hell is that kid meant to say to 'em? Children of that age can't grasp these concepts and will take the piss and loads of other shit. Personally I think it is morally wrong that gay and lesbian couples should have kids. You are gay, you made the choice, don't have kids. Pre-fucking-requisite.

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Originally posted by Rhian
Donating eggs and sperm is also a VERY good idea IMO.....and if it would mean that another childless couple could be very happy then Im all for it.

Not if that couple consist of two arse-bandits or a pair of carpet-munchers.

I'm with Smiler n Paebac.
Except that I'd say it's also been proven that although ideally a child should have both a male and female role model (i.e parents), the development of a child is not drastically affected if raised by a lone parent, as that parent then takes on both gender roles. I know a few single parents - and their sons and / or daughters are normal, well adjusted kids.

But I think it's morally wrong for a child to be brought up and socialised in an environment where both parents are of the same sex.
Hell, it's just fucking un-natural!
Male + Female = Babies -- That's the way it's supposed to be.
End of.


Anyone wants to bang a member of the same sex, that's their choice; but that choice means they can't have kids IMO.

Tough shit n cookies ya faggots

[woody]

Have to agrre with you lot, I've got no problem with gay or lesbian couples but I don't think it's a good idea for them to be bringing up a kid.

The kid will grow up thinking it's normal for a bloke to talk really camp and just generally act really gay and therfore the kid is likely to take this on board(extreme stereotype gay I know but you get my point).

if you are gay then accept the fact that you can't have kids. I think it's wrong basically.

[Mr Bugg Spynal]

i have to agree too, its bad enough for a kid with a single parent, school kids are harsh and that would be ammunition for any bully ( plus followers ) to rip a kid to shreds, believe me i know! so to deal with bullies ripping you for having two gay mums or dads plus being taught that it takes a MAN and a WOMAN to make a child naturally, would deffo have an effect on your mind.

for the childs sake, its just not ideal and healthy.

gay couple parents? i say NO!

[The Chemist]

Yeah I watched it last night and found it really bizarre.....especially the sperm being delievered to the door.
I also didn't see the last 10 minutes of the programme (turned over to ITV!!!) so I don't know whether the couple were successful.
What I think about it??
I think it's more fucked up that the child might not be able to track down their biological father!!! They are going to be curious if they don't know who your biological mam or dad are, so that choice should be there for when they get older.
Did you see the 2 little boys talking, they were really sweet and seemed to have already encountered some bullying at school....due to their mothers being lesbians.
This is harsh on the kids and I felt a sorry for them but still I think if a couple are loving, caring and supportive to their children I don't think it matters.
Bo Bo xxxxx

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Originally posted by The Chemist
I think it's more fucked up that the child might not be able to track down their biological father!!!

That's probably a good thing - cos that would mean (if it were 2 fudge-nudgers) that the kid would then have 3 fathers!

Imagine the head-fuck on the poor kid with that one

[The Chemist]

No I don't agree. The kid will be older and will be curious about his/her really father. They should at least have the choice!!!
xxxx

[yomama]

I used to work for the two gay guys who had them surrogate kids in the Us (Barrie & Tony they're called) and I would challenge you to find some more devoted parents.

I agree it is technically unnatural to conceive these children, there is far too much of the manufactured aspect to how it all comes about. For example, they had a 3rd child last year who is an identical twin to his brother who was born about 5 years ago!!! I mean how fucked up is that?!

But thats how they were conceived, what happens after that is i spose what were discussing. These kids have been made aware from day dot that they are in a "different" kind of family ie. they have two dads, but the fact they have been made aware, and how they were conceived, everything, means that they can work out for themselves if its wrong or not and hopefully stand up to bullies/pisstakers when they're older. Dunno if it would work but only time will tell (they're doing ok this far).

As far as a female role goes they get more than enough. They have a full-time nanny (like most rich kids), and a wealth of family members to look after them, i don't mean help out i mean they want to look after them, like any doting grandmas/aunties/cousins etc.

IMO yes they're is something very irregular about the way these kids are conceived and brought up but it doesn't make it wrong, they have a "different" upbringing same way all we had different upbringings to each other, theirs is just a little more different. They have a stable, open, informative, and educational environment in which to grow up - who could ask for more?

[woody]

I think the problem with 2 gay blokes having a kid would be a lack of a male role model not a female one

[yomama]

heh heh.........fair point

they call one dad and one daddy and trust it is blatantly obvious that one of them should not be called just 'dad'.............jesus

[The M in MD]

Not really sure what I make of it, but one thing I will say is that the child can never be genetically both of yours - so why not adopt one of the many poor abandoned kids and raise them as your own rather than brining another child into the world that also isn't yours (if you know what I mean)?

[yomama]

Originally posted by The M in MD
Not really sure what I make of it, but one thing I will say is that the child can never be genetically both of yours - so why not adopt one of the many poor abandoned kids and raise them as your own rather than brining another child into the world that also isn't yours (if you know what I mean)?

but in this sense its only like a child being born, their parent splitting up, and one of their parents begins a new relationship. the child is not the offspring of both of them but is treated as such (well, not in all cases). granted, in this scenario one of your parents suddenly becomes batty, not an everyday occurrence!! but with gay couples the child is not forced to have a new "parent" at some given point during its lifespan, its from birth, making the psychological/physical/emotional/and any other connections stronger

your point about orphans is a good one but most wannabe parents, i would have thought, would prefer a child of their genetical make-up rather than of someone else's.............thats a pity though considering the amount of orphans across the world



p.s. good set last night MD, some electro dnb business from what i can remember, big up yer self

[The M in MD]

your point about orphans is a good one but most wannabe parents, i would have thought, would prefer a child of their genetical make-up rather than of someone else's.............thats a pity though considering the amount of orphans across the world

I know what you mean and agree, but thought with it being less of a natural process (if you get me) in these scenarios it would be more likely. How do they decide who 'has the child' as such (donates the sperm for eg)? Does that parent then have stronger bonds with the kid?

One thing you would have to say is that, natural or not, anyone who wants a kid enough to go to these extremes is likely to be a damnsight better parent than these plebs who carelessly have kids and couldn't give a sh!t about them (not including 'accidents' here which do happen).

p.s. good set last night MD, some electro dnb business from what i can remember, big up yer self

Thanks, glad you enjoyed it. Any bits you particularly liked/disliked? Shame about the cd player - had some nice bits for that! Ah well.